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we are adding stow away roaches. we have the story of a greyhound bus infested with with bugs. i wasn't there. maybe infested is too strong a year. >> when i say infested, i mean infested. >> okay. infested then. here's what happened. according to passengers who spoke to our affiliate wabc, shortly after the trip began roaches showed up pretty much everywhere. >> sat down. roaches started crawling on our clothes, falling out of the ceiling, everything. >> we are already at the part of the trip where i would pull the emergency brake and call wolf blitzer to pick me up. he's used to sketchy phone calls from new york city. unfortunately for passengers, things only got worse. >> e with thought it was one. it turned tout to be a houseful of roaches. >> i was in the front. i saw people panicking and after a while the panic got to the back. we looked around and saw roaches crawling everywhere. >> i'm b about to throw up. you have no idea. roaches on a bus?
kardashians in an elevator, my length of fears is lengthy. i attempted to conquer my fear of roaches as you can see in this old file footage. how i miss the days when my hair was more pepper than salt. unfortunately the roaches and i could not reach an agreement. >> are you willing to put your hand inside the container? >> um -- yeah -- no. i don't think so. >> yeah. didn't go well. i'm a mess when it comes to creepy crawly things. do y know anyone who's afraid of a millipede? you do now. >> just stroke it. >> i don't like being afraid of anything. >> give it a hold. >> that's it. i'm done. >> i'm sorry. they're gross. keep them away from me. by the way, we don't have close-ups of the roaches from atlantic city but i'm guessing they look like this give or take a few poker chips. this is a bad idea but let's hear more about what happened on the roach bus. >> the man had roaches on his
coat. the lady had a roach on her hat. it was just terrible. >> people were in the aisles brushing roaches off of them. >> i can't. i mean, really. we should point out greyhound says the driver pulled over and radioed for stance. a new bus picked up the passengers who were given refunds. we all know how these situations end up. >> enough is enough! i have had it with these [ bleep ] snakes on this [ bleep ] plane! >> that's a classic. consider yourself warned, roaches. you got off easy. next time it could be worse than getting squashed on the ridiculist. we'll see you at 10:00 p.m. eastern for another edition of "360." tonight an hour with michael moore. my interview with the director from "bowling for cleanolumbined
"fahrenheit 9/11". >> guns don't kill people. americans kill people. >> the right to bear arms. >> if the founding fathers could have looked into a crystal ball and seen ak-47s and glock semi-automatic pistols i think they would say, you know, that's not what we mean when we say bear arms. >> reporter: why in the wake of a tragedy at newtown he's changed his mind about this. >> i'm not coming on at&t damn tv show eitherer after the next shooting, piers. this is piers morgan live. i'm here with michael moore. we have a lot to talk about. he's a passionate advocate of gun control. he has strong feelings and harry reid proposed to drop a ban on
semi-automatic weapons. meanwhile breaking news in syria. chemical weapons in the passive civil war. this as president obama is on his way to the region tonight on his first visit to israel and the west bank since he became president and as 55 people were killed and more than 200 wounded in battle scenes all over iraq on the 10th anniversary of shock and awe. i want to bring in at the start of this from cnn, life in iraq, arwa damon. another terrible day in baghdad. the anniversary of george bush's announcement that america was at war with iraq. 55 people killed. more than 200 wounded. very hard to see that there is anything but chronic instability and continued hideous bloodshed there. what is your take? >> it's such a tragedy really the way things have unfolded in iraq. just looking at iraqi faces,
seeing how pale they had become. we are hearing after one attack after another. people's voices actually began trembling. this is violence that, first of all, the iraqis never even imagined would end up being the outcome of america's war in iraq. so many of them hoped and dreamed they would have true freedom, democracy, that their horizons would be open. they have dealt with everything, all of the violence that wrecked this country over the past ten years. to be reminded of it again on the tenth anniversary shocked people and completely and totally devastated them, piers. >> it comes of course as the crisis in syria reaches what could be a tipping point where there are reports that president assad, although still unconfirmed and his people are saying, no, no, it was the rebels. it looks more likely to have been assad's forces used chemical weapons, killing 16
people, wounding scores more. how significant is this, do you think? >> reporter: well, first of all, it needs to be substantiated if the chemical weapons were, in fact, used. there is conflicting information. the regime is accusing the rebels of firing the weapons. the rebels say that's impossible, we do not have that kind of weaponry at our disposal. but military analysts do believe syria as one of the largest stock piles of chemical weapons in the world and the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers, saying there is a high probability that the assad regime has used chemical weaponry but they are awaiting final verification. bearing in mind there have been allegations in the past that chemical weapons were used in syria and holmes for example late last year. those allegations were never substantiated. the white house has been saying something of a red line, a game changer when it comes to syria.
when i was last there in december in aleppo, doctors working with the rebels were actually trying to design their own chemical suits and masks because they had nothing with which they could protect themselves. so the opposition does believe that if pushed into a corner the assad regime would certainly resort to that kind of weaponry. at this point in time it has not been completely verified that the chemical weapons were used. >> thank you very much, indeed. michael, let's turn to this first off about what's happening in syria. it is almost déjà vu, isn't it? you have a bad guy, a dictator who may have unleashed chemical weapons. if it is verified that he has, and clearly with saddam hussein although he had in the past when push came to shove he didn't have chemical weapons. if p assad has got them and used them against the rebels, what's
a proportionate reaction from america? >> let's put it in context. the chemical weapons that saddam hussein used on the kurds were given to him by us. he was our ally. we funded him. we armed him. we helped him with an eight-year war against iran. the weapons of mass destruction which the weapons inspectors knew weren't there. everybody knew they weren't there. the weapons we had given him in the past, we never talk about those. we never talk about how we are the ones who helped these dictators around the world. as far as assad and syria goes, you know, i think as americans now when we're told anything, somebody comes on and says there are report that is maybe this, maybe ta. we have to have the most skeptical, critical eye and err to what we are being told. >> that's my problem with it. here we go again. we were told saddam had chemical weapons and was about to use
them. now we're told assad has. many say this is a pretext for going in and going into some kind of advanced war with assad. >> yes. >> how do we know who to believe here? >> well, you start by not believing the people who lied to you before. the american government lied to its own people. honestly, i don't know of a worse lie one could tell other than a lie to take a country to war. to make up things to take people to war. that's got to be the most obscene, immoral thing to do. so this government hasn't earned the right to be trusted. if it says assad has chemical weapons or ahmadinejad has a nuclear weapon -- >> but it's not this government, is it, that went to war with saddam. >> which government? you're talking about obama versus bush? >> yes. >> i'm talking about the real government. wall street, the banks, people who made $2.2 trillion we spent
on the iraq war. who made the money? soldiers in the field? i don't think so. this is always about the people who have the purse strings and the politicians bought by them. if they come on now and tell me anything about ahmadinejad is building a bomb. really? i'll believe it when he walks in the room with it and shows me. that's how much i don't trust anything said by the military industrial complex of this great country. >> when you see what happens just today in baghdad, 55 people killed and i think 17 different bombings. two other assassinations took place. 200-plus people wounded. that's a typical day in baghdad over the last few years. >> that's right. >> this is not peace. this is not democracy. this is not freedom. >> right. >> what is it? >> what it is is first of all we set this thing up to where we supported the shiites and the sunnis are now -- there is going to be a version of a civil war. right now, as we speak here live
on cnn there is an alternate reality on another network. they are over there today saying how great it is. iraq's free. >> you mean fox. >> yes. i don't really want to, you know, disparage. >> let me read this tweet from donald rumsfeld. the iraqis deserve our respect and appreciation. >> he's a war criminal as far as i'm concerned. yor i don't understand why he, bush, cheney are walking the streets. the way they are trying to revise history saying it was a mistake or we were given bad information. say nobody sent me an e-mail or a tweet that said goldman sachs downtown right now in their basement they havethey are hold them there. i tell the police this. what will happen to me when they go down to goldman sachs and find no kids many n the
basement? of course, you would think i would want to go after goldman sachs as bush wanted to go after saddam. but i think i would be arrested if i produced false information. to say it's a mistake, you know, if somebody ran over your 4-year-old, they get out and go, i'm sorry. misnation's capittak mistake. >> i heard tony prescott was told the same thing. we are taking british troops to war. it was a false pretext. i heard him saying i changed my mind. it was a mistake. it's a bit late, isn't it? >> yeah. >> tony blair is standing by what he did. george bush stands by. to say, we got it wrong. if you get a war wrong what are the repercussions. >> unless there are repercussions. unless we take blair, bush,
cheney and these guys to task right now still. if this doesn't happen what's the message to future prime ministers and presidents. wow, those guys got away with that. that was a bunch of malarkey. how did they get away with that? i think -- >> it's depressing in iraq. you look at it and see the kurds in the north have their own seceded country in a way. they have their own passports now, i'm told. they are distinct from iraq. you have the sshiyas afforded p. they removed all infrastructure. i read a piece by fareed today about the difference between what happened in in iraq and what mandela did in south africa. rather than getting rid of all the other people in power he kept most of them in place. he brought them inclusively into his new south africa. as a result there was no insurgency. >> we did it with the germans. >> america and others did the
opposite. they dismantled all the infrastructure. >> right. >> everything was removed. that's what created this vacuum that created the insurgency from sunnis who went, okay, if that's the way you are going to treat us, we are going to be insurgents. >> we had crazy people in charge. they installed not bright people to be in charge of iraq. people with no training, no military training. didn't know anything about anything. these were people calling the shots. ten years ago tonight in this hour that we are sitting in at 9:42 p.m. eastern time, the bombing started. the fact that no one has paid for this criminal act, why would an american such as george w. bush send thousands of americans off to their deaths? for what reason? and why doesn't he have to answer for that? i just -- you know, look, i said this back then. i took a lot of hit for it.
everybody told me there were going to be weapons of mass destruction. a lot of people said things at work, at school. people watching the show will remember. they were ostracized. >> yeah. >> you couldn't say anything. the dixie chicks lost their career. they were finished. other people lost b jobs. >> mess. >> yeah. because we were told at that time in a democracy we are not allowed to dissent. we are not allowed to ask questions. today learned from vietnam in the previouser w wars don't put images on the screen. don't let them see coffins coming home. let's get our media embedded. >> let's end the segment with the results of the cnn poll about iraq. they were asked would you say the initial decision to send u.s. troops to iraq was a smart or dumb thing to do. americans replied 59% dumb, 38%
smart. was iraq a mistake? yes, 56%. so on and so on. did the bush administration mislead the u.s. public, yes, 54%. >> that's why this is a great country. the majority of americans got it together. the majority of americans are never listened to. we'll talk about guns in a few minutes, i guess. >> we'll take a break. >> no one is being listened to. >> this brings me to guns. there is so much going on not the least of which harry reid saying forget about the assault weapons ban. we'll talk about it after the break. i'm sure you are as angry as i am. >> what a weinie. both tylenol and bayer advanced aspirin
dianne has worked so hard in this. she understands going back to the day she found a mayor dead in his office killed how strongly she feels about that. i know that. but right now her amendment using the most optimistic numbers has less than 40 votes. that's not 60. >> senator harry reid spreading his stunning decision to drop the assault weapons ban proposed by senator dianne feinstein. i was incensed when i heard this. hearing harry reid say, well, i can't get enough votes so we'll put it on the back burner. this is about prohibiting the kind of weapons that murdered the poor children at sandy hook. that's what he put on the back burner. what was your reaction?
>> well, i have so many p things to say we don't have time to cover them all. harry reid and these democrats, this is not something unusual. democrats have a history of backing away, backing down. they are the ones that accepted the new math that the majority meant 60 instead of 51. this attitude of, well, we are not going to get -- this is wih our side -- we have weinies on our side. republicans have the courage of convictions. no matter how crazy the idea is. transvaginal probes. they will not step back. >> look at the nra. >> they go for it. >> same way. >> wayne la pierre has driven the campaign since aurora and sandy hook. here's the thing about la pierre. h he's flip-flopped on key
issues. here's what he said in 1999 about background checks. >> we think it is reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> we do not because the fact is the law right now is a failure the way it's working. the fact is you have 76,000-some people that have been denied under the present law. only 44 were prosecuted. you're letting them go. they are walking the streets. >> shameless. he's also said previously that schools should be gun-free zones. now he says even in the school should be armed. the man does any u-turn that suits him. yet he's winning this war in washington. why is he winning? why does the nra continue to wield this power? i have a tweet here from ted new gent. ask michael moore this. will you ever admit your "bowling for columbine" lie is a propaganda smear against the good families of the nra and the
honorable american legendary e freedom warrior charlton heston. >> ted and i are both from michigan. there is a reason he's called the motor city madman. he's been off his rocker for a long time. i feel bad because he had some good music back in the day. but, listen, the thing here with wayne la pierre who, by the way, i thought he's aged pretty well. >> he's never come on the show. >> he won't come on? >> i have repeat ledly asked hi. you have come on every other show. come on and debate and explain why you said this about background checks before and you have done a u-turn. why you think schools should be gun-free zones and now should be full of guns. come explain to me. be a man and do it. >> wayne, if you are still watching, i will protect you. he's really mad about this. >> i am mad. >> i'm so glad you have led the parade on this.
thank god you haven't been deported. you're still here. but you have been relentless about this. >> it makes me so angry that dianne feinstein who's seen it first hand, what the guns can do to people. she has literally picked up the pieces. >> what happened to the idea of just this is what we believe in and we are going ahead with it. even if we don't have the guns because we believe in this. that's the wha the other side does. we don't do it. harry reid should get ten million e-mails in his box tomorrow. everybody watching the show and everybody should text or tweet ten other people tonight and say, send a message to harry reid tomorrow to put the assault weapons ban back on the agenda. >> here's what barbra streisand tweeted. how can americans organize to make their voices heard on gun control, the economy and rising income to demand change on these urgent issues? take up the gun control thing.
what can the american public, the majority of whom want an assault weapons ban, a universal background check, et cetera. what can they do if their politicians are simply too cowardly to act on their behalf because of the power of the nra? >> people are going to have to let politicians know they are going to be voted out in the next term. if they are not afraid of the electorate they will never do the things they need to do. we have lots of examples of when people do rise up. when people's voices are heard loudly. these politicians are just as frightened and back off. the politicians need to be reminded there are 5 million members of the nra and 303 million americans who are not members of the nra. wayne says there are 100 million americans who own a gun. 200 million don't. we are the majority. >> the majority though is being outgunned, you might say, quite literally by the nra. the minority have the biggest voice in the debate. they are winning the argument. you cannot look at what happened
today with what harry reid has done and not say he's been cowed by the nra. >> people watching the show right now can get out their iphone or blackberry, their laptop, and send an e-mail right now to harry reid. do it after the show. but they won't do anything if people don't stand up and say something. especially the democrats. this is going to require people to not sit on the couch and go, oh, geez, that harry reid. we didn't have the 60 votes. put republicans on the spot. make them vote. make them stand up and filibuster. >> portman did a complete u-turn about gay rights and gay marriage because his son came out to him. i respect him but it crossed my mind, how many of the senators who in my view probably do think there should be an assault weapons ban, do think there should be universal background
checks but they have decided to go against their principle to protect their political seats. how many change if their kids had been in sandy hook and gone through a portman-like experience? in other words, it was right home to them and their families? >> we all know the answer. if a man with an assault weapon goes into the school where harry reid's grandchildren go to school tomorrow and kills his grandchildren, would he stand in front of the microphone at 5:00 and say, i know how dianne had to witness the mayor murdered and my grandchildren got killed today but we can't get it passed because we don't have the votes. would he do that really? i don't think so. >> let's take a break, come back and a talk specifically about the after math of sandy hook. you wrote a powerful blog. very contentious. i want to talk to you about that. >> all right. e . ♪
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rise up and say, damn it, this is not the america i'm going to live in. this is too great of a country to let this happen h again. i am not going to let this happen again. i am not going to come on another damn tv show either after the next shooting, piers. i haven't done it for ten years. to be nice to you and you're a good guy. you made a good case to me to come on, but i'm sick of this. i refuse it. i refuse to live in a country like this. >> michael moore on this show after the movie theater massacre in colorado. we are talking about guns again. why the change of mind? >> well, your people, your producers have called me since aurora back in july throughout the fall when there were a number of what we call now the smaller massacres. the four, five, six that are killed. i said, i told you, i'm not coming back on after a gun shooting. bring in the guy that made
"bowling for columbine." after newtown your people ask me to come on. i have not gone on a single show to talk about this since newtown. as i said that night i'm not going to be a pundit about this. i'm going to be a pain in the ass about this. i'm going to act, do things. for instance, this saturday night i have joined with with move on and a bunch of progressive groups. we are holding thousands of house gatherings in people's homes this saturday night. we are all going to watch "bowling for columbine" together. then i'm going to be live in their living rooms via the internet to take questions, to discuss what are we going to do. grassroots all the way. all across america. anybody can do it saturday night. >> we had an amazing statistic. nearly 3,000 americans have been killed with guns since sandy hook. nearly as many people died as on 9/11. >> 9/11. >> can you imagine if the response had been, we can't do anything. we can't get the votes? that's as many americans that have been killed with guns.
i also read in newtown they have a doubling of the rate of people in newtown alone applying for gun permits. because the nra got out there and said, you need to be armed. everybody in america must be armed. teachers, nurses, so on. two big rock stars, rob thomas and nikki sixx tweeted the same thing. you have michael moore on the show. would love to hear him talk about the blog on guns. they said you said in your blog about sandy hook last week it may take a moment as dramatic as one of the parents releasing the pictures of their child after they had been slaughtered by adam lanza in school that day. why do you think that would make a difference? some of the parents felt it was an offensive suggestion. >> no. there was something on fox news. nobody was offended actually because everybody knows and i knew in newtown knows that you would want this to happen only
if the parents approved of it. in my blog i talked about a young man named emmett till in 1955, a young black kid murdered down south simply because he was black. his mother insisted that there be an open coffin. she wanted photographers, the news people to see what happened to this 14-year-old boy. to see what racism and bigotry does. that galvanized the country. it was three months later that rosa parks refused to get out of her seat on the bus. images of vietnam, mi lai, the girl running down the street with napalm burning her skin off, these were images that turned this immoral war. that's why the person in charge don't want to show these images. they know what it does to people. i said in the blog that we live
in a different age now with the internet and everything. don't be surprised if a parent -- and there already was one parent. the parent of noah posner veronique who didn't want the casket closed until the governor came. she wanted the governor to see essentially half of noah's face blown off. the gun makers and nra don't want you to see this. adam lanza -- and i don't like to say his name. i don't like these people to get what they are looking for, fame or whatever. but he fired up to 11 bullets into each child. >> each child. >> what that means is, remember, he's close with an assault rifle. h he's very close to a 6-year-old. >> he's blowing the kids to pieces. >> the first bullet kills the little child. what kind of mind says, you know, i have -- i'm going to put ten more bullets. if people could see at close range what those bullets out of a bushmaster do to a little
child's body, that would be the end of harry reid and the so-called gun debate. we would have laws we need in this country within a month. so perhaps there will be a parent, b somebody in law enforcement. perhaps somebody will say, with the parents' permission, i think america must not look away. that's what we have been doing. we like to look away. >> here's what's going to happen. >> you know, our child isn't in iraq or afghanistan. we don't have to think about it. >> when you came on after aurora you were passionate. you said, i'm sick of this. yet within four months we had an even worse atrocity happen. only yesterday. >> yeah. >> we had this young student who was armed to the teeth in his room. he had an assault rifle, a handgun. he bought a thousand rounds of ammunition. ordered stuff on the internet that arrived that day. two 20-bullet magazines. let's look at what the police chief sheriff said about this
discovery. >> i don't think that you acquire two 110-round magazines and numerous .22 capacity magazines and that you purchase a thousand rounds of ammunition and purchase the .45 ammunition. i don't think you do it as a joke. >> right. columbine, those 16 is-year-old kids went to kmart and they sold them thousands of rounds of ammo. a teenager was able to walk in. >> it's still happening. the guy in awe roadwaurora. >> there will be an aurora in six months and a sandy hook after that. this will go on until people take harry reid by the collar and say, who the hell do you think you are? this is our country, harry reid. >> he should be ashamed of himself. >> absolutely. >> every senator in that u.s. senate who is voting against
their principles. >> is it harry.reid? harry_re firstname.lastname@example.org. >> that's his official address. >> ten million e-mails tomorrow morning. if you're listening, watching and you don't take the time to send an e-mail don't complain about it after the next shooting. >> let's take a quick break. i want to stay on guns for a little bit. we'll talk about the pope. i feel angry about this today. this is a day that is shaming america. it's shaming the senate. >> shameful democrats. absolutely shameful. i work for 47 different companies. well, technically i work for one. that company, the united states postal service®, works for thousands of home businesses. because at usps.com®, you can pay, print and have your packages picked up for free. i can even drop off free boxes.
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breaking news has come in. cnn can project mark sanford will finish first in the gop south carolina primary but he's short of 50% needed to avoid a runoff. cnn can project the sister of stephen colbert is the winner in the first primary. congratulations to her. i'm back with michael moore who hasn't won any primaries tonight apart from angriest man in
america. >> i'm all for stephen's sister winning in south carolina. >> absolutely. two more tweets have come in the break there. one from yoko ono. over 150,000 people have been killed in america since john lennon was killed in 1980. >> over a million. >> since john lennon, her husband, was killed. >> wow. >> shocking. >> suze orman said i agree. this is a shameful day. this will go away if people let it. >> right. >> the more people who get animated and exercised and bloody angry the more chance there is that people like harry reid will not be able to park this away. there will be more outrages this year. >> right. so, we are getting bounced back on the e-mail i gave. go to senator majority leader oor ory -- harry reid's website.
there is a form. or tweet him on twitter. >> tweet him tonight. >> @senator reid. >> ask what he's doing. if you don't agree this is a guy you need e to talk to. he's the one calling the shots. >> knowing full well that a vast majority of americans want the assault weapons ban. he know this is. >> and background checks. >> what kind of balls does it take to stand in front of a microphone knowing 55, 65% and higher percentages on other parts of the bill want this. vast majority of americans want this. you stand up there and say, well, you know -- >> here's the problem. here's what sarah palin said this weekend about background checks which seems to me to be a bleedingly obvious thing to do. watch this. >> background checks. yeah. i guess to learn more about a person's thinking and associations and intentions. more background checks. dandy idea, mr. president.
should have started with yours. >> i just find it completely offensive. the idea that you would want to have a continued loophole where 40% minimum of all guns sold in america are sold at gun shows where nobody can check anything. you can buy an ar-15 tomorrow. nobody knows. this is the stuff of madness. >> yeah. sarah palin and the republicans, they are so far on the wrong side of this issue it's actually in a way pleasant to hear them continue to dig their own graves. >> it's dangerous because they are winning. >> only because our side are a bunch of wimps. >> right. >> that's the reason. >> what's wrong with the democrats? >> what's wrong with them? where do we start? >> why are they cowardly? where are the people who, as robert kennedy said, where is the moral leadership? >> yeah. >> sometimes you do things not for political expediency but
because you believe in it. >> i am of an age where democrats, when i was a kid, lyndon johnson, the president of the united states. i don't know if you saw this on "rachel" last night. do you watch it? >> which show? >> "rachel maddow". >> she did a brilliant thing on guns last week. >> do you dvr the show? >> of course. >> watch both shows. they're great. but lyndon johnson knew nixon, the bbc ran the tape this is week that nixon communicated with the vietnamese to try to stall the peace process so he could get elected. he consorted. they have johnson on tape saying nixon committed treason. what are we going to do? he decided to do nothing and not tell the american people. the republicans wouldn't play that way. they don't play that way. we play that way. >> what do you do about the gun manufacturers? this all comes down in the end
to the gun manufactureremanufac. they are the ones making tons of money. the fastest selling biggest weapons in sandy hook, the ar-15 . this is a sick reaction from a so-called civilized society, a super power. the idea is everybody goes to buy the same weapon. what's wrong with people? >> there is a ton of money being made now. the gun shop near where i live in michigan. five months ago was selling .45 bullets for $19 a box. it's $59 a box now. they are making money -- >> running out of ammunition. they can't make enough. >> right. >> they can't make enough. they are financing the nra. that means there is more money now for wayne lapierre. >> financing the republicans and a few of the weasely democrats. >> what's the answer, michael? >> there is only one answer. >> what is the alternative to the nra to stand up, well funded, powerful and to do to
the pro gun rights lobby what they do to democrats now and make them cow in fear. >> myself and a few hundred thousand americans this saturday night are going to get together in our living rooms, invite friends and family over and have this virtual discussion on the internet. we are going to watch "bowling for columbine" and we are going to organize this grassroots. that's all i can say. i'm tired of sitting around. i haven't sat around. i have dealt with the issue since columbine. >> what are we waiting for? the next mass shooting? the next movie theater? school? >> i would ask that to harry reid. if you could get him on i would say, how many more sandy hooks before you would not stand in front of a microphone. >> come on the show, harry reid. i have invited senator reid for two years. >> let's kill another 150 children? how about 1,050 children? >> let's leave the guns issue by
repeating what yoko ono tweeted tonight. over 1,057,000 people have been killed by guns in the united states since john lennon was shot and killed on december 8, 1980. if that single fact doesn't make americans say enough is enough is enough, then nothing will. let's take a break and come back. >> we should be ashamed of ourselves if we allow this to continue. >> do something. let's come back and talk about the pope. you're a catholic, i'm a catholic. let's discuss. >> recovering. >> seems a good man to me. >> okay.
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gorbachav was named and they said oh, he's the same as the other guys. he changed the world. >> and this is giving you hope and giving me hope. >> i would hope that this is the catholic church's gorbachav. that he is going to take this opportunity to turn things around. you know, if you've read some of the things, twreeeted about it,e is very much against the rich, exploiting the poor. he spoke out very early against the iraq war. >> in spite of gay marriage, he also kissed the feet of 12 aids patients, which, at the time, seem today be a very sensational thing to do. >> so what you and i need to do is say our prayers tonight that this is going to be a different pope and lead a catholic church that is -- that treats women equally.
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